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PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 2:34 pm    Post subject: "Discipline for Patience" -- Quiet Time 1.2  Reply with quote

Be still and listen.  Be disciplined in patience and know that your patience doesn't go without purpose.  Why is patience one of our most stubborn enemies?  We are conditioned to define patience as the emotion that occurs during "the difference between the time we ask for something and the time we get it."  

The conditioning occurs in the coffee shop drive-thru: We ask for something and then we wait for other people who've asked for something and then we get it and move to consumption.  The conditioning continues in business:  We ask for someone to call us back on an important issue that one of our customers just went irate about.  How do we respond when it takes them longer than it should to get back to us?  We grow impatient.  

The difference between when we ask for something and when we get it.  Waiting.  The emotional response to waiting--patience.  

Why does being patient require so much discipline?  We are all impatient people.  In part, it goes against human nature to be creatures of patience.  Some of us have been blessed with a higher tolerance for patience than others.  Even those who appear patient on the outside tend to experience that unfortunate loss of control that being patient requires.  

Being patient has spiritual implications.  God is at the heart of everything we do.  He is everywhere we are.  When there is something we seek that is beyond our control and we pray to God for "patience," it is difficult to truly feel in our heart that we are really praying for patience--because we're not.  

Often, when we pray for patience, we are really saying in our heart "God, please bring this opportunity to me.  I will be the best follower of you when I get this opportunity.  Imagine the way I'll be able to impact other's lives when this opportunity happens to me!  God please?"  

God is above and beyond our shallow desire to have good things happen to us.  God is beyond our desire for entitlement to opportunities.  God simply wants us to love him every day and consider His will before our own in every circumstance.  Patience requires discipline and faith.  When we want something and pray about it, the delay just might be God's way of saying "Love Me, focus on Me, rely on Me."

God remains in control.  Seek His will.  Be patient, be still, be disciplined.  Be thankful for all that happens in your life, good and bad.    

Ecclesiastes 8:7-8
Since no man knows the future, who can tell him what is to come?  No man has power over the wind to contain it; so no one has power over the day of his death.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A few scriptures on patience.

The creating of patience!
Romans 5:3 And not only [so], but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
James 1:3  knowing that the testing of your faith produces patience.

A fruit of the Holy Spirit!
Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, temperance

Patience and pride offset.
Ecclesiastes 7:8 The end of a matter is better than its beginning, and patience is better than pride.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for adding some scripture relevance to the patience equation.  I'm still working on my ability to locate meaningful scripture specific to the topic I'm writing about.  

Patience is a difficult topic for me because I've really only learned how to exercise patience more recently.  Romans 5:3 ..."knowing that tribulation worketh patience..." is clear and to the point.  I'm a product of my conditioning, and lately I've had to reverse that conditioning by finding comfort in the uncomfortable and the unknown.  

My motivation behind most of my writing as of late is the unknown future, fresh marriage, employment situation, and my spiritual growth.  Patience is required in nearly ever situation we deal with as faithful humans, and the unknown future brings about a potentially frightening scenario.  

During the last three months, excess stuff has begun to disgust me.  Similar to feeling you get when you see an overweight person make his or her fifth trip up to the buffet and then gets their coke refilled for the fourth time.  Mentally, I am in a position of willingness (I've never experienced before) to get rid of everything I own and live a simple life.  Removing excess paired with the desire to keep things simple has been a recent achievement for my wife and me.  I truly believe that the past year has created the conditioning to keep a simple lifestyle going forward.  

Simple, patient, loyal, and focused on God's plan are all things I want my closest friends and family to be able to describe about me.  I've got a ways to go and I've got a lot of solitude to achieve (quiet time with God/Bible) before I can go much further in my spiritual walk.  My prayer will remain that I'm walking with God and presenting a good example of that in society.  

Until next time...a quote from my favorite author:

You don't have a soul. You are a Soul. You have a body. --C. S. Lewis
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steve,

Check out blueletterbible.org.  Great for word and topical studies.

Because patience is identified as an attribute of love "love is patient" and love is our highest relational calling, then patience must be the relational elasticity that enables fellowship. Not only fellowship with others, but primarily with God.  Our very existence is enabled by God's patience.

Today, tolerance is advocated in the place of patience for relational elasticity.  Where patience always validates absolute truth (God), tolerance promotes individual autonomy by assuming there is no absolute truth.  Relational tolerance vs. patience?

Romans 12:2 says... And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Just as king Saul was hiding in "stuff" (or "baggage" in some translations) when Samuel was looking for him, so we, also, hide in the stuff of this world.  Stuff is not the problem, it is the hiding in that place.  God wants us to walk by faith, and hide our fears in Him.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

this article below was something i found on blueletterbible that speaks on patience. This goes along with the previous dialoging on this topic which I hope to learn more about. "Patience." One thing that remains true about patience, is that it is not easy to impliment,unfortunatly in my own life i've seen very little evidence of patience in me. i believe God's shown me that if I could be as patient with others on the same scale of how patient I am with myself, or better yet, raised to the level of patience towards others as God is patient with me, there would be a lot more love flowin around the room than there is these days with my fellow humanoids. There is good news though, in that to get this patient ball rolling, the hardest task has already been taken care of, ...Jesus Christ was the life of Patience that we get to follow as our example, we're no longer in the dark.


pa’-shens (hupomone, makrothumia): "Patience" implies suffering, enduring or waiting, as a determination of the will and not simply under necessity. As such it is an essential Christian virtue to the exercise of which there are many exhortations. We need to "wait patiently" for God, to endure uncomplainingly the various forms of sufferings, wrongs and evils that we meet with, and to bear patiently injustices which we cannot remedy and provocations we cannot remove.
The word "patience" does not occur in the Old Testament, but we have "patiently" in Ps 40:1 as the translation of qawah, "to wait," "to expect," which word frequently expresses the idea, especially that of waiting on God; in Ps 37:7, "patiently" ("wait patiently") is the translation of qul, one of the meanings of which is "to wait" or "to hope for" or "to expect" (of Job 35:14); "patient" occurs (Ec 7:8) as the translation of ‘erekh ruach, "long of spirit," and (Job 6:11) "that I should be patient" (ha’arikh nephesh). Compare "impatient" (Job 21:4).

"Patience" occurs frequently in the Apocrypha, especially in Ecclesiasticus, e.g. 2:14; 16:13; 17:24; 41:2 (hupomone); 5:11 (makrothumia); 29:8 (makrothumeo, the Revised Version (British and American) "long suffering"); in The Wisdom of Solomon 2:19, the Greek word is anexikakia.

In the New Testament hupomone carries in it the ideas of endurance, continuance (Lu 8:15; 21:19; Ro 5:3,4, the American Standard Revised Version "stedfastness"; Ro 8:25, etc.).

In all places the American Revised Version margin has "stedfastness," except Jas 5:11, where it has "endurance"; makrothumia is translated "patience" (Heb 6:12; Jas 5:10); makrothumeo, "to bear long" (Mt 18:26,29; Jas 5:7; See LONGSUFFERING); the same verb is translated "be patient" (1Th 5:14, the Revised Version (British and American) "longsuffering"; Jas 5:7,8, the King James Version and the Revised Version (British and American) "patient"); makrothumos, "patiently" (Ac 26:3); hupomeno (1Pe 2:20); anexikakos is translated "patient" (2Ti 2:4, the Revised Version (British and American), the King James Version margin, "forbearing"); epieikes, "gentle" (1Ti 3:3, the Revised Version (British and American) "gentle"); hupomeno (Ro 12:12, "patient in tribulation"). For "the patient waiting for Christ" (2Th 3:5), the Revised Version (British and American) has "the patience of Christ."

Patience is often hard to gain and to maintain, but, in Ro 15:5, God is called "the God of patience" (the American Revised Version margin "stedfastness") as being able to grant that grace to those who look to Him and depend on Him for it. It is in reliance on God and acceptance of His will, with trust in His goodness, wisdom and faithfulness, that we are enabled to endure and to hope stedfastly.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anexikakia, makrothumeo, Apocrypha, qul, hupomone, ha’arikh nephesh--each words which I have no idea what they mean.  Thank God the Bible is translated.  

Grant, I liked your first paragraph where you said "i believe God's shown me that if I could be as patient with others on the same scale of how patient I am with myself, or better yet, raised to the level of patience towards others as God is patient with me, there would be a lot more love flowin around the room than there is these days with my fellow humanoids."  

That is so true.  It's very difficult for us to be patient with ourselves, with others, and with God.  Having patience and faith, when we are seeking God's will for us and asking (through prayer) Him to reveal His will in our lives, is a trying task.  

Patience goes against a lot of what is being marketed to us--get that money/wealth now, get that perfect body now, get that perfect relationship now.  

When we see these things, we tend to get impatient/anxious to hurry up and get there.  God wants us to relax and trust in Him, and He will provide anything we need.  We can't journey alone and expect to receive all the grace and gifts God has for us in this life.  You are right on about that point as well, G.  

Good passage, Grant.  Keep 'em coming.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I realize I'm getting into this one quite late, but reminded of a quote by someone that said: “Patience is the art of Hoping”.  A coalition seems apparent  between patience and hope while “Hope” is a bit of a mystery as well.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 1:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Russ--you are never too late to bring new thoughts to the table on a subject here.  

Speaking of Hope:

I think the word "Hope" has become mainstream.  We heard it on the massive campaign trail, we saw it on political signs, and many of the American people believed it.  Some still do.  

To me, "Hope" is faith minus the conviction of knowing and believing without seeing.  "Hope" leaves room for questioning and uncertainty.  "Hope," however, is optimistic.  "Hope" is mentioned in the Bible several times, so it must carry some weight, spiritually.  

Shortened version--I agree with you Russ, that "Hope" is a bit of a mystery.  The way I see it is "Hope" is a vehicle to reach Faith, which is difficult to reach from square one.  

Another way to look at it is....We don't "Hope" that there's a bigger meaning in life for all of us out there.  We have Faith and know that there is.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Consider "peace and joy" in addition to "hope".  It seems to me that faith invested in God's love produces peace (in regard to our past), a present joy and hope for our future.  Perhaps when we view eternal-faith through the lens of this temporal life we experience peace, joy and hope.

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